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>> i don't, either. >> telling exactly and perfectly how many americans have the day off on this labor day. >> i'm glad we were here. thanks for being with us. have a great labor day. >> same to you. a lot more coming up at "studio b." >> good to see you both. i'm in for shepard smith and this is "studio b." the obama administration now trying to convince lawmakers to support the president's proposal for military strikes on syria, but as the white house is finding out, it may be a tough sell. >> a new report claims the nsa went beyond spying on ordinary citizens, to snoop on the e-mails of world leaders, and it comes amid word the drug enforcement administration may have been involved in an even larger spying program. and a 64-year-old woman has become the first person to swim between cuba and florida, without a shark cage. that's all ahead, unless, of
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course, breaking news changes everything on "studio b." first, from fox at 3:00 eastern, the white house, hard at work this labor day, trying to convince lawmakers to sign off on striking syria. the proposed military action meant to punish the syrian regime for allegedly using chemical weapons on its own citizens. right now president obama is meeting at the white house with lawmakers, including his one-time republican rival for the presidency, senator john mccain. the senator has been one of the strongest supporters of military action in the civilian war in syria, in fact senator mccain says approximate president obama's plan for limited strikes does not go far enough. >> today's meeting comes after the president's surprise announcement this weekend he would first seek approval from congress before launching any strikes, and tomorrow a senate panel will hear testimony from both the defense secretary chuck hagel and secretary of state
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john kerry. yesterday secretary kerry rereeled there is more evidence. and blood and hair samples from victims confirm deadly sarin gas was used in the attacks, an attack which the u.s. government claims killed more than 1400 people, including more than 400 children. >> syria's president, bashar al-assad has denied the claims in an interview with the french newspaper he warned any strike on sera woulding notice a powder keg and set off a war. jennifer griffin is at the passenger. let's beginning with ed henry at the white house. the administration is putting a hard sell on congress. >> that's right. they're getting mixed reaction, frankly. they call i inside the white house when you top to top aids,flood the zone. the president, the vice-president, the chief of staff, all working the phones. they were working hard on labor day? they were dooring that on sunday as well, a day you don't
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normally see the president reaching out to lawmakers, specially republican law makers he kept at arm's length. he now need them desperately. there's a lot of skepticism on the democratic side so he has to get these republicans. that's why john mccain is here and lindsey graham. so far republicans are very split whether they'll support this president. >> i left yesterday with more questions than answers, because we don't see a coherent strategy in the middle east. i mean, this is what happens when you lead from behind. >> i think at the end of the day, congress will rise to the occasion. this is a national security issue. this isn't about barack obama versus the congress. >> the white house is particularly happy about the last comment. that republican mike rogers, not any republican. he has standing in the congress, chairman of the house intelligence commitow, for him to sigh we're going to get this done, they happy inside the white house but it's basically a
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race against the clock. the president leaves tomorrow night for sweden and then will be gone a few days, also in russia for the g-20 schmidt. that's why he is trying to back in the phone calls and meetings as much as they can before he is out of the country. >> some skepticism over the weekend since the president's decision to seek congressional approval because it sounded so urgent we needed to move in and attack syria, and then he backs off. i know you have been gathering information how that decision came about. >> you're right, secretary of state john kerry on friday afternoon, was out there pretty hard, far out on a limb, suggesting that military action was imminent, if not days, maybe within hours and people were expecting it to happen on saturday, but what happened was, late on friday night, president went out for a 45 minute walk with his chief of staff, and -- wait a second, we have senator mccain talking. he just came out. >> -- the opposition and to see the -- change the momentum on
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the ground in order that the free syrian army can prevail over time. that does not mean that any of us support having american boots on the ground. but right now it's an unfair fight with the thousands-s hezbollah fighters coming from russia and iran, and iran basically being the sponsor of bashar assad. so, we had, i think, a very productive conversation, both senator graham and i are in agreement, but now that a resolution is going to be before the congress of the united states, we want to work to make that resolution something that majority of the members of both houses can support. a rejection of that -- a vote against that resolution by congress i think would be catastrophic because it would undermine the credibility of the united states of america, and the president of the united states.
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none of us want that. but we do want an articulation of a goal that over time will degrade assad's capabilities, increase upgrade the capabilities of the free sirrian army and the free syrian government so that they can reverse the momentum on the battlefield that is presently not in their favor because they have not received the assistance that they need while bashar assad has received an abundance of capabilities from his sponsors, russia, and iran. finally, this is a regional conflict. this is not a conflict that is confined to just syria. lebanon is destabilized, jordan is badly destabilized. iraq has turned into a breeding place for al qaeda, and islamic extremists. and so we have to understand
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that not only is there the threat of this conflict spreading but the iranian issue is one, in their pursuit of nuclear weapons, that will be directly affected by our actions in syria. again, we appreciate the president meeting with us. we had a candid exchange of views, and we -- i think we found some areas we can work together. but we have a long way to go. >> i guess the way i would term the conversation is, there's a consensus being formed that we need to degrade assad's capabilities and upgrade the opposition, vetted opposition. the first thing suggested to the president is give the opposition a chance to speak directly to the american people. john and i and the president all believe that syrians by nature are not al qaeda sympathizers. they're not trying to replace one dictator, assad, who has
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been brutal, his whole family has been brutal for generations -- to only have al qaeda run syria. that makes no sense. but it's time for the syrian opposition to step forward. i want a statement from the syrian opposition that if we get in charge of syria with your help, we're going renounce chemical weapons and the new syria, there will be no chemical weapons because we are going to turn them over to the international community. as to the limited military strike, john and i both would like to see a more sustained military effort, but we understand where the president is on that issue, but it is my hope that even a limited military strike can degrade assad's ability to project force, particularly using chemical weapons. but there seems to be emerging from the administration a pretty solid plan to upgrade the opposition, to get the regional players more involved. saudi arabia, turkey, jordan, the gulf arab states, have been helping quietly.
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now is the time to get out front and be more overt. when it comes to financing the operations the people in the region need to carry the lion's share of the financial cost. so what can i sell to people in south carolina? i can't sell another iraq or afghanistan, because i don't want to. i can sell to the people of south carolina that if we don't get syria right, iran surely is going to take the signals we don't care about the program and it weighs on the president's mind strongly about the signals we send. so, if we lost the vote in the congress, dealing with the chemical weapons being used in syria, what if effect would that have on iran in terms of the nuclear program. market south carolinians get that point. so i'm hoping we'll learn more about the strategy of degrading and upgrading and we can go on the floor hoff the senate and say the administration has plan apart from a limited military action, that will allow to us
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get to where we need to good as a nation, which is to deter iran from a nuclear weapons march and stabilize the region before it's too late. >> the opposition, if we were to strike relatively soon, the opposition in any type of position to take advantage of that? >> clearly they could take advantage. the question is, how much. the fact is we have not given the arms and equipment to the resistance, which has been shameful, while huge amounts of arms have flown in from british and -- from russia and and run now thousands of hezbollah on the ground from lebanon. but if we have a plan to give them the arms they need, which i believe is part of an upgrade that we could orchestrate and this government could do, it would matter. [inaudible] >> we need to do it -- frankly, it's shameful -- we should have
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done it two year ago. >> sounds leak you're more on board with the limited strike than you might have been -- [inaudible] >> i think it's a fair assessment to say that we still have significant concerns, but we believe that there is in formulation, strategy to upgrade the capabilities of the free syrian army and degrade the capabilities of bashar assad. before this meeting, we had not had that indication. >> you have -- >> now it's a question whether that will be put into a concrete strategy that we can sell to our colleagues. and that we can agree with. >> senator -- republicans and democrats coming out of the briefings very skeptical about this. how far is the president going to have to work to get this resolution passed? >> i think going to have to work very hard. americans are skeptical. we have gone for two and a half years without helping these people. obviously people are weary after
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iraq and afghanistan. americans have to be assured that a plan will not entail american boots on the ground, and we agree. so they have a selling job to do but at the same time i believe if we can formulate this strategy that i just articulated, degrading his -- assad's capability, upgrading the resistance, in the long term, then i think that we have a chance of succeeding in the vote. >> congress will reject it? >> if the congress were to reject a resolution like this, after the president of the united states has already committed to action, the consequences would be catastrophic in that the credibility of this country, with friends andedded a very sears -- adversaries alike would be shredded and implications
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norse presidency and future presidency. >> the president has no one but himself to blame about the public's lack of understanding. two years ago we had an opportunity to get assad out when their there were dozens of al qaeda only in syria. now they're thousands. a year from now there will be tens of thousands. two years ago there were not 600,000 refugees in. >> compromising the king of jordan. time is not on our side so we urge the president to upgame, an people, what does it mean if assad wins and the opposition loses? what does it mean if assad were, with the backing of the iranians and the russians, win after we say assad's got to go? the russians and the iranians are all in. finally see an effort by this administration to counter. at the end of the day this is a syrian fight but the outcome
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does not limit itself to syria. with we don't get syria right, good luck convincing iran to change their behavior. so we let it be known to the president we don't want endless war. john knows better than anybody, war is a terrible thing. we want sustainable security, and syria is a cancer that is growing in the region, and for two years the president has allowed this to become, quite frankly, debacle and when it comes to selling the american people what we should do in syria, given the indifference and, quite frankly, contradiction, it's going to be a tough sell, but is it not too late. so mr. president, clear the air. be decisive and firm why it matters to us as a nation to get syria right. i'm going to go back home to south carolina, and listen to the people, but give them what happens if we do nothing, what happens if we have a weak response, and what happens if we get syria right.
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>> senator- -- >> and a weak response is almost as bad as doing nothing. >> senator mccain, bottom line, what you have heard today from the president sufficient for you and senator graham to go out and try to game support for the president's plan from other members of congress? >> i think it's encouraging, but we have to have concrete plans s and concrete details and be assured that this is a dramatic difference from the last two years of a policy of neglect, which has led to the deaths of 100,000 people, a million refugees -- excuse me -- a million children refugees and a spreading of this conflict through the region. >> are you satisfied that the timeline is of no consequence. >> i am not satisfied the timeline is of no consequence and i'm astounded when the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff says it doesn't matter. anybody who understands warfare knows that bashar assad is moving his assets -- military as
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sets into civilian populations and civilians into military areas. it's much harder now than it would have been if we had acted initially. >> can you assess the potential for penetrating blow that can be -- [inaudible] >> those are some of the details that, frankly, he -- they have not shared with us, and probably shouldn't, but we have been given some reason to believe that very serious strikes may take place as opposed to cosmetic, and i say that, may, because we now need to see a lot of the details. >> for the first time i have got an understanding of what happens the day after the smoke clears. the israelis don't announce their attacks ahead of time for the reason you read about it when it's over because that's the best way to effect the outcome militarily. this is bizarre to give the enemy weeks to reconfigure their
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force, about we are where we are and a degrades strike, limited in scope to degrade his chemical weapons delivery systems, could have a beneficial effect to the battlefield momentum. there will never be a political settlement in syria as long as assad is winning, and i told the president how do you expect anyone to go to the negotiating table as long as assad is winning and can if you believe the syrian is will not accept him as part of the new syria, he has to go. >> senator, you said that president obama needs to sell this. what does he need to do specifically -- >> well, again, articulate a strategy and a plan which so far has not been there. there was simply the statement was that they were going to have some strikes, and specifically categorizing that as not intended to achieve regime change. i strongly disagree with that. and i believe that if we can degrade, as i mention, and
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upgrade, then i think we have a chance, but we need to see that plan, we need to see that strategy articulated, and we also have to make it clear that a vote against this would be catastrophic in its consequences, not only as far as this issue is concerned but in the future. >> the president speaks about bringing things -- galvanizing supporters and get congress back. is there a place where that's not as effective -- >> that's a very tough sell whenever you commit american forces, even to limited military involvement, and frankly there is a credibility gap because of the last two years where nothing has happened, while people have been mag kerred by the thousands. as much as more than 100,000 massacred. so there's a credibility gap with some of white house believe we could have ended this war two years ago when now there is a possibly a change in strategy
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that could bring successful conclusion to this conflict. >> did the president say when or how he -- [inaudible] >> we can't talk about that. we can't talk about that. [inaudible] >> -- would be catastrophic. colleagues in congress agree with you -- >> i think that many of my colleagues in congress have yet to be convinced either way. they need to have the hearings that we're going to have starting tomorrow. in the foreign relations committee, and they need to be briefed, and they need to understand, and i'm sure they do, the seriousness of this issue. >> can i just -- from my point of view, from the republican point of view, there's a libertarian wing of our party that i very much rerespect. fortress america won't work. but having said that it's not a mystery to me that most members of congress are reluctant to engage when it comes to syria
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because they don't know what's going to happen. they don't have any idea how this military strike will change things? what are they going to tell people back home. we shot missiles and then what? for the first time i see the development of a strategy that will upgrade the opposition as well as degrade assad, that i think if it becomes a reality we'll know in the next couple of days i can believe in my heart will work, and to my colleagues, if you think the outcome in syria doesn't matter to the united states, then how must believe the king of jordan is somebody necessary the mid-east, and if you can't see the connection between syria and iran, you're blind at a time when history needs for you to have good eyesight. the connection between syria and iran is clear as a bell. to disconnect these two would be a huge foreign policy, national security mistake, and i hope the president, above all else, will
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make that connection. [inaudible] >> -- on how he would upgrade the opposition? >> i mean, use military means to upgrade the opposition. [inaudible] >> -- really talked about -- [inaudible] >> a weak response is it something that would give us a serious dilemma, because that would be also catastrophic. >> the white house made it clear that the president doesn't need this authorization to go through with this. do you think that he really would go ahead with an attack op on syria if congress rejects -- it would be much hard for him to go ahead with any military operation if congress rejects it. he had amp time for -- ample time for acting without the approval of congress. [inaudible] >> you have to ask the president
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but i think he found that with the british voting the way they did and obviously without united nations approval, as long as the russians and chinese are there, that perhaps that a resolution of congress would give him some more sustainability, and by the way, again, these attacks have to be sustainable. a sustainable to degrade bashar's capability and upgrade the free syrian army's capability to bring this conflict to an end, and bashar assad gone. he will only leave when the tide of battle turns against him. >> how long -- [inaudible] >> depends on the -- well, it's harder and harder now because with this delay. bashar assad is moving forces around and making it much more difficult to target them, despite what the chairman of the joint chiefs might say. anyone who knows the military
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and action, like lindsey said, the israelis and others don't telegraph their intention days or weeks ahead of time. if the goal is to have a military strike to degrade the capability of the say sad regime to deliver chemical weapons in the future, that means delivery systems have to be affected. if that is done in a robust mapper, keeping it to the chemical weapons delivery mechanisms, that will have a substantial effect of degrading the overall ability of the assad regulartime. simultaneouslyñr you're upgradig the military capability of the opposition, upgrading their political cohesion, and you are getting a regional force behind the on sayings. these three things together with work, but if the goal is to put is in my lap, i welcome a discussion about what we should do. i've been telling you for two years what i think. so, i welcome the discussion with the president and my colleagues to those who say in the congress, sirways not our
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business, you really honest to god don't understand the world in which we live in, to the president. if you don't understand that the american people are not going to follow an untrumpet. now is the time to reshape public and world point. tell us without any hesitation, mr. president, what does it matter to us as a nation that this war goes on and assad wins? i believe the president is capable of doing that and has not yet done it but is ready to do it, and if he is ready to do that part, i'm ready to go to my colleagues in the congress and say now is the time for us to come together. >> -- doesn't mean supporting groups with links to al qaeda -- >> i am totally, completely, hundred% confident we know who the free syrian army is, we know what they need. they're the preponderant force,
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and these al qaeda groups are trying to impose sharia law. there's a definite geographic division between them. we know who they are. if they had a safe area, we would know exactly how to get these weapons to them. the saudis have provided weapons. they have got ton the right people, and those who say that we don't know who the opposition are, they're either not telling the truth and they know the truth, or they're badly mistaken. [inaudible] >> i think starting tomorrow we're going to have the hearings -- a hearing in the foreign religious committee. >> but you personally. >> i'm already talking to a lot of my colleagues. but before i can persuade them to support this, i have to be persuaded, and i'm saying that the president, i think, made sense in a lot of the things he had to say but we're a long way from achieving what i think would be the most effective strategy. finally for those who say we
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don't care about syria and doesn't matter to us, i guess czechoslovakia didn't matter in the 30s in and abyssinia didn't matter and china didn't matter. well, acts of atrocity and massacre too place in those countries and we paid a horrible price for not paying attention to what happened in those countries countries and we paid heavy flies world war ii. we have to pay attention to this region and bring bashar assad down. >> i'm not a military expert, but contemplated about as risk, free? isn't that a key selling point? >> absolutely. the key selling point that must be told to the american people over and over, no american boots on the ground. they are tired and weary of it and you have to tell them, no american boots on the ground. ' but you also have to show them a way forward and that so far has not been articulated to the congress or the american people.
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[inaudible] >> yes. [inaudible] >> i absolutely believe. [inaudible] >> they're one in the same. what senator graham and i'm saying, the delivery systems are the same. the scud missiles that deliver conventional weapons as well as chemical weapons. so degrading his capability for chemical weapons would degrade his capability. the great asset and advantage bashar al-assad has today is air. he uses it to move things around, moves arms from russia and what he uses to launch air attacks against the free syrian army, which has predominance in the area is a deciding factor on the battlefield. we take out his air he is at a distinct disadvantage.
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thank you very much. >> and for the first time, we are getting an idea of just how tough and detailed the talks at the white house have been. two top republican law makers, john mccain of arizona, and senator lindsey graham of south carolina, with a unified message today and perhaps the newest language to come out both of the administration the unified push to get us more involved in syria beyond just punish canning the assad regime for using chemical weapons but trying to promote regime change. and the mantra is degrade the say sad regime and upgrade the opposition. let's go back to ed henry. >> i think there were some strong words for the president, a warning, if you will, from these two prominent republicans. when you have lindsey graham saying-at one point, mr. president you need to up your game. and john mccain at various
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points saying the president is starting to make this case but in the words of mccain has along way to go. that's a wakeup call for this white house. but as we were saying before they started speaking, they are stepping up their game with the phone calls and direct lobbying, including the meeting with mccain and graham, and on balance this appears to be at least a relatively good moment for the president, because after saying all of that their bottom line, these two republicans who are frequent critics of the president, was it would be catastrophic if he loses these votes and congress and they want to find a way to help him here, specifically lips say graham saying that he heard some good things from the meeting and is not there yet but if the president can sell him, he'll help sell others in the congress. john mccain same -- saying similar. they're seeing positive signals from the president. who would have thunk it, john mccain might help him out. >> you point out the chiding
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these two top republicans gave the president. at one point senator graham saying, mr. president, clearly the air. you have not been clear about what you want or why we need to do this. do that first, and then you will get our help. we can rally the troops, so to speak. >> look, this is something that people seem to be confused about in the whole debate about the president switching gears on saturday and saying i want to go to congress. there dut been key lawmakers like johnñi boehner, the speaker of the house, who even before the president agreed to actually have this debate and the vote in congress, were saying, look, if it's just going to be consultation, fine, but step up, mr. president, and boehner wrote a letter saying this -- before all these latest developments -- and make the case to the american people. we have not seen the president do that. people like secretary of state john kerry and others were taking the lead on this, at least publicly. not behind the scenes but publicly. now what these folks are saying the president engaging with members of congress has helped move it forward but he still hayes not made the public case.
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at the roast garden on saturday he started that. we'll see the days ahead. >> a lot of information coming out of this news conference that popped up outside the white house. glad you were there to help deliver some of the breaking news this hour in "studio b." thank you very much. a couple of things come to mind. if our mission is going to widen out beyond just punishing the assad regime and we're going to as senator graham put it, upgrade the opposition, how might we strike differently than what the plans are as a limited on the page? how does the strategy change? 'll talk with the general about that. and international response now. as you can imagine, unfolding as the world now gets a peek inside of what has been going on inside the white house. a live report from jerusalem. ♪ ho ho ho
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>> asking the united nations to stop my potential military strike and instead push for a political solution, according to syrian state news. there's word president obama's decision to wait for congress' approval is causing concern for our strongest ally in the region, israel. israel's president saying he trusts president obama but not all israeli politicians may feel the same. we're live in jerusalem. what are they saying? >> thing goes both wares ways. you saw senators graham and mccain discussing howl the
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israelis do thing and the israelis watching how the americans do thing. one government liken president obama's declining to roosevelt's decision in world war 2. the israeli iron dome system is still on stand by. there are reserve units which have been called up, and you have to look at this in a little bigger picture in the middle east, as the syrian con district the chemical weapons read line laid down by president obama is seen as a bit of a test for an american insurance policy by the israelis on the iranian nuclear issue after president obama reverse evidence course on saturday, one top israeli official says all this proves in the future, when it comes to iran, we have to be ready to go it alone, whether the prime minister of israel agrees with that or not has yet to be seen
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but people in jerusalem are changing the calculation. >> i understand there was no stop in attacks from the assad regime, and in fact we might ask what president assad is saying today. >> president assad is doubling down, both in terms of words and in terms of action. still out on the battlefield today, syrian state tv was broadcasting images of a battle going on, and the rebels are still on the run in syria,ñr ill equipped, and president assad is pounding away. today president assad said he thought a strike by the united states would launch a regional war here in the middle east and threatened to attack israel. the civil war is still going on fiercely as there's brinksmanship between the united states and syria going on. one officer on state tv there in syria said that we are going to continue per suing the rebels, quote, until we kill every last one of them, and you can't
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forget the iranians who are never far away from this conflict, backing up the syrians. the iranians sent a senior delegation to be with president assad and show solidarity and said the americans backing down was proof of the american policy failure towards syria. >> some of the punches in our credibility around the world that senators mccain and lindsey graham were talking about outside the white house. thank you very much. with those senators coming out and talking about how things might widen out with our mission, it's time for us to good to retired major general bob scales, fox news military analyst and great person to ask this question of. irwe're possessioned now to do something different, what might that look like? >> well, so far, i see no evidence we're going to do anything different. we're moving the nimitz care area battle group into the region but they're not going to participate in the strike. they're there for presence. there's some news there may be
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submarines approaching the eastern mediterranean, perhaps to deliver more cruise missiles, but the strategy is essentially unchanged. a single strike, lasting 24 hours, by something north of 200 missiles, against 50 targets and then the strike is over. what i found so interesting recent marksry senator mccain is the word sustainable and expanded, and the hint that somehow the president may very well be going along with a more sustainable and expanded campaign to me that's the military perspective on this that i sort of take away from those interviews. >> the other thing, too that i thought might hint at something changes, is the fact that it's one thing to punish the assad regime to degrade that regime, but then can you on the other hand upgrade the opposition with that kind of a strike, and then have sustainability and so on and so forth. do you have to engage longer
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than an initial 24 hours? >> that's the real question and the sense got from senator mccain the president is hinting at, maybe, yes, all of those who i know in the pentagon strongly agree with a sustained reinforcement of the opposition with the free syrian army, with the delivery of antitank and perhaps antiaircraft missiles with the delivery of thousands -- not tens of tons of ammunition, other munitions -- to allow them to go back on the offensive. if we don't do this, truth be told, with chemical weapons or without chemical weapons, sadly, assad is going to come out on top of this. >> one thing that senator graham said is if congress says no to this president, after he committed us, we would see a catastrophic fallout in our credibility, and possibly make us vulnerable around the world.
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>> i'm not really sure of that. let's just review the facts here. what we have is a bloody, brutal civil war, that is being run by one of the most vicious band of killers in the world, their syrian army. assad doesn't want to strike at israel. he doesn't want a foothold in lebanon. what he wants to do is win this war and get back his country under his terms. and that is what his military has been doing for the last two, two and a half years. are there international spinoffs? perhaps. but remember the nature and character of this con income one more time. this is a sectarian civil war, fought in the most vicious manner, internal to syria, one side of syria versus another. it has become incredibly brutal, and the end state for assad at least isn't to invade israel or lebanon. it's to stay in power and continue to rule the country.
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>> different perspective from the senators that you're laying out but you all agree on one thing, how to get it done and it needs to be done now if wore going to do it at all. general scales, thank you, as always for your perspective and your time. >> thank you. >> weol tower correspondent -- to our correspondent on james rosen about the rest of the world's view on this. heart healthy, huh?! ugh! actually progresso's soup has pretty bold flavor. i love bold flavors! i'd love it if you'd open the chute! [ male announcer ] progresso. surprisingly bold flavor for a heart healthy soup. t's as much as you like, any way you like. try classic garlic shrimp scampi and more. only $15.99, offer ends soon. so come in and sea food differently. now, try seven lunch choices for $7.99. sandwiches, salads and more now, try seven lunch choices for $7.99.
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questioning the united states' case against the regime over the use of chemical weapons. a russian official dismissed the evidence the u.s. gave of last month's chemical weapons attack, calling its unconvincing, james rosen is live with the news. what about the arab and muslim world. any support there? >> mid-east diplomats tell me the arab and muslim leaders are divided and that played out over the weekend in cairo, where the arab league met and key figures in the forum expressed a range of opinions from a cautious support of the u.s. strike in syria to opposition to the united states acting unilaterally. >> translator: we demand the international community to take all the necessary measures to help the syrian people and stop the high school begannism and murderers in the area. >> they consider the united nations as an official representative of the
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international community and only it is responsible to take necessary measures. >> israeli sources say that netanyahu government is proceeding dissecretely right now so as to avoid affecting the coming congressional debate near the united states. >> well, all sides sides of thee here in america seem to agree on one point is that it iran is watching what we do and don't do carefully. >> you heard that earlier this hour from senator graham of south carolina speaking outside the white house. secretary of state kerry argue evidence yesterday that where iran's pursuit of the nuclear weapons capability is concerned the regime in iran will be given pause by the sight of a united america, but one official said -- >> it's not just in the middle east. it's in asia, where a lot of countries depend on american strength and credibility.
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that's why this resolution has to pass congress. >> the iranian government has condemned the use of chemical weapons in syria but held mostly silent amidst the present crisis. >> joining us now former u.s. ambassador to bahrain, adam hourly. i want to start with what has been breaking and just ask the question, are others watching what is bo going on with the white house right now and congress? >> my gosh, you can bet on it. i think the whole world is -- the eyes of the world are gluees to washington, dc for the next seven to ten days, and i would personally heartened to hear what senators mccain and graham had to say, because the fear is that the president of the united states says military action should be taken, yet congress refuses to authorize that. as senator mccain said that would be catastrophic for
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american leadership around the world and we have allies and friends who depend on us and american constance si. a no, vote would undermine that. >> what's talk about the united nations. there's a report that ban ki-moon, is saying that u.n. inspectors need hurry up with what they found inside syria. what's the hurry? >> the hurry is that the jury, unfortunately, is still out in terms of international public opinion on whether assad's regime is guilty of using chemical weapons against his own people. obviously senator kerry, president obama, and others have said the case is clear and compelling and they're convinced, but as evidenced by the positions of russia and china and others, there's more convincing to do, if you care what they think. it doesn't really matter to us what they think. we have to defend our interests and based on the information we
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have, i think probably justification not to take action. but if you want to convince others, you got to make the case. >> i didn't mean to cut in. before i let you go, what you're saying -- you're an ambassador and are saying it might not matter what the unites nations thinks. why not? >> we have taken action many times in the past without authorization from the u.n. we need thursday from the u.n. less than we need authorization from congress and the president said he didn't think he needed to get authorization from congress. let's put the u.n. aside. what's the u.s. national interest? it's to send a clear and unmistakable signal to autocratic ruthless regimes like assad and khomeini, that the use of weapons of mass destruction will not be tolerated. >> thank you very much.
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the national security administration has been spying on americans but world leaders as well. we'll tell you who the feds targeted and what they got their hand on, next.
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>> the u.s. government has not only been spying on americans but world leaders too. that from the journalist who first brock the story of edward snowden. he said the feds intercepted e-mails and telephone calls of the people you see here. the presidents of mexico and brazil. some of the mexican president's e-mails from before his election were accessed. the head of of the brazilian senate telling reports, quote, seems like there are no limits when the phone of the president
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of the run is monitored. it's hard to imagine what else smooth be happening. it's not yet clear if the spying is still ongoing. catherine herridge is live. >> according to green wald the program was for the reading of stored e-mails and content of social media sites sites and cht rooms, and tracking communications, who the brass sillan president was talking to and the third parties her contacts are communicating with in an evident to map out her network, which can be far me revealing than the content of e-mails. brazil's justice minister speaking to vice-president biden and issuing a scathing statement saying if this is confirmed they would be considered serious and would constitute a violation of brazil's sovereignty.
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those who support the nsa mission of foreign intelligence collection say the agency's job is to gather intelligence that informs u.s. policy and these programs may have been achieving that goal. >> we're learning about data collection by the drug enforcement administration. so not just the nsa but the daye. something they called the hemisphere program. >> this was reported by "the new york times" when they received a series of power point slides. as many as four billion calls are affected, including at&t, and then made available to a agents working on operations where drug dealers change numbers frequently in some cases at&t employees reportedly embed with federal agents allowing them to search records as far back as 198 198 1987.
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a justice department spokesman says the records are held by at&t and not the nsa or the justice department but did not dispute the contents of the "new york times" report. >> thank you very much. and that is going to of two aleve for six tylenol? what's the catch? there's no catch. you want me to give up my two aleve for six tylenol? no. for my knee pain, nothing beats my aleve.
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